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 Saturday July 23 2005

ESL demand up in North Korea

Would you teach in N.K.?

The Marmot posts about N. Koreans going goo-goo over English and links to an article in the L.A. Times.

An expatriate living in Pyongyang who is involved with the nation’s English-language programs said English had replaced Russian as the largest department at the Pyongyang University of Foreign Studies, the leading foreign-language institute.

“There is a big drive now for learning and speaking English. The Ministry of Education is really trying to promote it,” said the expatriate, who asked not to be quoted by name because of the North Korean regime’s sensitivity about news coverage.

I would like to hear a first hand account of this ex-pats life in the North. How much of a social life does he have? what is the teaching like? What are the restrictions like for personal freedom, teaching, what about Internet access and international phone calls? I’m sure it would be quite the experience, but could just anyone hack it? How long could one live in such an environment?


Several young North Koreans interviewed in Pyongyang expressed both a desire to learn English and frustration at the difficulties.

The tour guide, a lanky 30-year-old with a passion for basketball, said he had spent years studying English, including one year as an English major at the University of Foreign Studies, but still couldn’t make small talk.

Aside from common courtesies, most of his vocabulary was made up of sports terminology.

“English is a common language between countries. Therefore, learning some basic English is helpful to our lives,” the guide, who asked to be quoted only by his family name, Kim, said this spring.

I would think having sufficient food and other basic necessities would be more helpful to your lives than learning English.

Another woman, also a tour guide, lamented that she was told to study Russian in high school instead of English.

“My father said that three things needed to be done in one’s life — to get married, to drive a car and to learn English,” said the woman.

substitute drive a car for acquire some sort of status symbol in South Korea and everything sounds about the same.

A few elite students have been trained with Hollywood movies — “Titanic,” “Jaws” and “The Sound of Music” are among a select number of titles deemed acceptable — but most students have to settle for English translations of the sayings of Kim Il Sung, North Korea’s founder. To the extent that any Western literature makes it into North Korea, it is usually from the 19th century. Charles Dickens, for example, is popular.

Well at least there are some authentic materials.  Can you imagine meeting a North Korean and having him talk in Victorian English? For example a random page from Bleak House by Dickens:
‘Sit down, my dear,’ said Mr Jarndyce. ‘This, you must know, is the Grolery. When I am out of humour, I come and growl here.’
‘You must be here very Seldom, Sir,’ said I.
‘O, you don’t know me!’ he returned. ‘When I am decieved or disappointed in-- the wind, and it’s Easterly, I take rfuge here. The Growlery is the best used room in the house You are not aware of half my humours yet. My dear, how you are trembling!’

Jake Buhler, a Canadian who taught English last summer in Pyongyang, said he was shocked that some of the best libraries in the capital had no books produced in the West other than various out-of-date oddities, such as a 1950s manual of shipping terminology.

Shocking, I think not. We’re talking about North Korea, not just any third world country.

Some critics of the North Korean regime believe that it wants fluent English speakers mainly for nefarious purposes.

Really. Another shocking idea. The best part of this article is the sample dialogue from a textbook.

Teacher: Han Il Nam, how do you spell the word “revolution”?

Student A: R-e-v-o-l-u-t-i-o-n.

Teacher:
Very good, thank you. Sit down. Ri Chol Su. What’s the Korean for “revolution”?

Student B: Hyekmyeng.

Teacher: Fine, thank you. Have you any questions?

Student C: No questions.

Teacher: Well, Kim In Su, what do you learn English for?

Student D: For our revolution.

Teacher: That’s right. It’s true that we learn English for our revolution.


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Kenneth Beare wrote 64 words  on  Tuesday Jul 26, 2005  at  04:23 AM United States

Great summary and comments.

I’d like to find out whether the move to English is more for geopolitical purposes - an expression of ‘opening up’ - or a fundamental shift in attitude. Of course, the example snipet certainly seems to point to attitudes remaining the same.

In any case, it would be interesting to hear some comments from other insiders teaching in North Korea.

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David (TEFL Smiler) wrote 41 words  on  Tuesday Jul 26, 2005  at  04:33 AM Great Britain (UK)

A few months ago I noticed a job ad for teaching English in North Korea with the British Council (who are often ‘brought in’ by governments for language projects, and frequently for training current teachers). I can’t say I was tempted.

Sean.

Sean. wrote 67 words  on  Tuesday Jul 26, 2005  at  07:57 PM Korea (South)

Kenneth,

I also wonder the same thing, but I suspect it is a combination of both though with more of a focus on the gesture aspect. I would love to hear from insiders as well, but I suspect that they may not have access to my blog. Perhaps an ex-NK English teacher will drop by.

David, I was aware of that and I also wouldn’t be tempted.

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nikita wrote 325 words  on  Friday Jul 29, 2005  at  11:28 PM Australia

David and Kenneth,
I read your comments and found them rather interesting.  From what I do know there is certainly a very gradual shift towards the North wanting to learn english and there is also a slight opening of the DPRK to the international community.

I have a very strong interest to teach in NOrth Korea and have had for quite sometime but as you have both noted opportunities are rare and advertised on a very limited basis.  I have studied and lived in the south for quite sometime and it would be absolutely unique to have the alternative experience of the NOrth, as it is, before reunification comes, of course that is the key question, when........  I tutored a couple of North Korean delegates in english a couple of years ago here in australia, the agenda at this time seemed that only high profile or high ranking govt officials were being granted the opportunity to look outwardly and learn english in a western country, but it seems the shift towards english in their education system particularly at the University level is on the move.  Sadly once they returned to North Korea contact ceased.

I wanted to ask you both about your comments about the british council teaching positions.........I, too have heard about these openings and don’t know much about them or the British council itself, I noticed your comments were that you both were not enticed......can I ask why is that......is the British council not a great organisation to work for or to have represent you abroad.......any other comments you do have about this would be greatly appreciated.......

And in terms of linking with people who have worked in some capacity in the North there is an international org called GAIN that does have some projects there, I don’t know much about them but could be one source of linking with some past expats in North korea.......
look foward to your comments
Nikita
Australia

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lelo21 wrote 45 words  on  Thursday Jan 12, 2006  at  06:27 AM United States

very interesting… My question:  so English is THE international language right now, does it have challengers?  Will it grow until the vast majority of the world population speak English?  Are the Chinese (by and large) very willing to learn English?

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Dominic wrote 48 words  on  Thursday Oct 5, 2006  at  02:39 AM Korea (South)

Are there any jobs available now in North Korea, I’m keen.
I am not insane or a prankster/timewaster -I believe it would be a unique oppurtunity, and after 4 years of commercialism and neon here in S.Korea, the idea of crossing over to the North appeals to me.

Sean.

Sean. wrote 24 words  on  Thursday Oct 5, 2006  at  09:59 AM Korea (South)

Dominic,
I have no clue about jobs there, but I can definitely say that I am not interested in going. good luck to you.

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Dominic wrote 70 words  on  Thursday Oct 5, 2006  at  12:26 PM Korea (South)

Whilst I dont think - that the grass is greener on the other side, I believe it would be an amazing experience, having travelled through Eastern Europe when the communists were in power, lived in war-torn, or coup-ridden parts of Africa, or extremist Islamic states, and lawless Papua New Guinea - it seems like the inevitable next step.
But - does anyone have any idea how to get work there?

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